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Internal Investigation

We’re turning the mirror on ourselves to assess diversity, equity, and inclusion at All Turtles. If we believe every company could benefit from open conversations about diversity issues, we need to start with ourselves.

In this episode

Phil Libin

Phil Libin

All Turtles CEO

Colleen McGarry

Colleen McGarry

All Turtles Head of People

Cathy Dinas

Cathy Dinas

Former All Turtles Chief of Staff

Mariah Driver

Mariah Driver

Head of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at Webflow

Highlights

“The whole point of saying something as systemic, right, is that systemic means it's not up to like individual small choices. It's kind of baked into the system. And so the way you have to work against it is to like, do things that in the individual decisions may not actually seem fair or necessary. Because it's always easier to justify any particular case. … So I kind of thought that, you know, the only way forward is to say, you know, I just have to, I just have to kind of personally do things that don't feel comfortable to me.”

Phil Libin

“I think that at the end of the day, it does help to have someone be responsible for [diversity and inclusion] because if someone isn't, then no one is.”

Colleen McGarry

“Inclusion is really, it's a feeling. … I cannot say, check the box… It's actually something where it's based on how our employees feel. So do our team members feel like they can bring their full self to work? And that not only won't be held against them, but it will actually be embraced and valued?”

Mariah Driver

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